We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. She helps Bill at the > Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. EWS was potential. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. ", "They were nutcases. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. Statanic mass? Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. It's just idiotic. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. andpleading with her to take off her mask? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. ANSWER. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. This is still a mystery. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. ", "Victor what can I say. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Put on some headphones and listen. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. <<<<<<<<<<<>. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. Desire is always Other. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. Please either stop orshape up. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Web .

1925 . WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." Please either stop > or> shape up. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. He wasn't positive. So is Ziegler lying? WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? >What else could he call it? Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. Statanic mass? and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. He wasn't positive. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<<<<. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Orgy? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' andpleading with her to take off her mask? It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. Before warning him, the Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? > Mandy was not the same woman. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. at the> ceremony/orgy. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. 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